#168: 3 Mistakes Health Coaches Make with Instagram with Julie Fischer

Michelle Leotta:
Hello, everybody. Welcome to another Q and a session today. We are talking all about using Instagram and our health coaching business, and specifically three mistakes that you are likely making. If you're on the platform or three mistakes that you are likely to make, if you hop on the platform without any guidance at all, I want to start off by saying, I am not an internet guru. However, anything I am doing well, that is working on Instagram. I learned from Julie and Julie Fischer is a health coach, just like the rest of us. And Julie, would you consider yourself an Instagram guru?

Julie Fischer:
No, I would not.

Michelle Leotta:
We're health coaches first and who has all day to be doing all this social media stuff. Um, but that said we can use these tools in an effective way without it taking over our lives. So that's like, whew, right there. Why don't you tell everyone a little about yourself and kind of how you got interested in using Instagram in the first place? Cause you've been, you've been coaching awhile. You've been on Instagram for a while. We have a lot to learn from you.

Julie Fischer:
Yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks for having me and you're right. I started Instagram long ago. Well, before I even went to health coaching school, so I kind of had started it because I had changed my diet to a gluten-free diet because of my autoimmune disease and my kids were lingering around as preteens on the platform. So I decided I would start a random account. I called a gluten-free good life. That was my handle way back when, and I just kind of started posting posting and sharing, posting and sharing and sort of as time went on, once I did decide to enroll in nutrition school started my business, created my website, started seeing some clients, everything in my world was Healthy on Hudson. And I sort of was like, Hmm, I could probably do something with this Instagram thing that I've been just playing with as gluten-free good life. Right. And so eventually it was just a couple, few years ago that I decided to change over my Instagram to a business account to match the rest of my business and really start using Instagram much more strategically for finding clients, finding partnerships, getting into new programs and things like that. And, um, it's really been successful for me. It's certainly is a big part of how people kind of know and recognize me in the coaching world.

Michelle Leotta:
For sure. Yeah. You have a nice presence for yourself and again, it's not like you have 300,000 zillion followers or anything like that. You're operating at a scale that I think makes sense for a health coach, the solo preneur, right? Where, um, it's not about vanity metrics, you know, how many followers, how many likes is actually about? Is it working? Are you creating connections, having conversations and signing clients? So just to be clear so everyone can hear this and you can sign straight off Instagram if you're using it well, I've had that experience and I know you've had that experience.

Julie Fischer:
Yes, absolutely. Right. It's about finding, not just followers, but the right followers and about not just making connections but making the right connections. So even if you have 100, 500, 1,005,000, you know, however many followers you have making sure that you're making the most of those connections and making the most of your time more importantly, right. We're all pretty busy. And so we want to make sure that the time that we are spending on Instagram is valuable.

Michelle Leotta:
Terrific. So listen, you guys, if you are here live, and I know a bunch of you are, and you have questions about Instagram, go ahead and throw them in the comment section. I am monitoring that over here. I also want to let you know that Julie has a five day bootcamp coming up. If you want to up your Instagram game and make sure you have everything you need in place to actually use the platform effectively. And that starting on November 15th?

Julie Fischer:
15th, yep.

Michelle Leotta:
15th to the 19th, this is going to be something that's easy to participate in. It's very accessible. This is a program. I think all of you can, um, can manage you meaning it's not like a gigantic time commitment or anything like that, but it's going to be fairly effective. I love what you've put together, Julie. We'll talk a little bit more about it at the end, but for anyone who's interested, you can check it out at healthcoachpower.com/Instagram. You'll get the details and sign up there today. I want to get into these three big mistakes. So I know I follow a lot of you guys on Instagram. And then we see a lot of health coaches that are out there on social media in general. So a lot of the same themes come up again and again. So I know this is what you're pulling from Julie. So when you say we're making this big mistake, what is the first one? What does, what comes to mind first?

Julie Fischer:
Yeah. So the first thing that I tend to see is just in general, that profile, right? So kind of, that is the first thing that people are going to see when they're attracted to your account. And it has a couple of different components. So you may not be making all of the mistakes within your profile, but you might be making one, two, or even all three of them. Um, but basically the first one, just being, you know, making, taking advantage of that real estate, making sure that when you're putting your bio in that it really clearly identifies who should be reaching out to you. It's important to include a mix of who you are. So something about you, but also really something about the person that you're trying to help. So including for those of us that have kind of a target market defined or my best worst work statement to find, you know, really knowing who you're speaking to is so important when it comes to that bio. Um, the other components of that profile that you want to make sure kind of all buttoned up is your photo. I can't tell you how many times I kind of look at a health coach site or a health coach, Instagram profile. And it's, you know, like mine was at the beginning, a bowl of oatmeal. My literally my first profile picture on gluten-free good life was a bowl of oatmeal blueberries next to it. Yes. It actually actually was.

Michelle Leotta:
And that's who you were, you were a bowl of oatmeal.

Julie Fischer:
I was a bowl of oatmeal with blueberries and that was my gluten-free good life. Right? So it was an Adele, but much later that someone was like, Hmm, we might want to see what you look like. Right? So as you start building that know like trust factor, right? We've all kind of learned that at some point in our life that you want to be able to make those connections before you trust a person, put a picture of you, something that's clear that you could, they can see your face so that when the day comes that they meet you in person or on zoom, they're like, oh yeah, I recognize you.

Michelle Leotta:
I mean, honestly, it's not that different from a dating profile. I don't know how many of our listeners have dated recently, but you know, even like old school classified ads, it's almost like, you know, we want people to get to know us and we want to talk about ourselves, but we it's, it's beyond that. We also want to say like, who we're looking for. Right? Seeking who were seeking.

Julie Fischer:
Yes.

Michelle Leotta:
And just like a dating profile. Would you want it to be a bowl of oatmeal? No. You want it to be a picture of yourself. What about a logo? Right? Because so many coaches put their logo in that space.

Julie Fischer:
Right. I mean, and last year Starbucks, right? Or someone else that has a super recognizable logo, you're better off using your face. Right? So if you're a health coach that is selling a product. And so like the logo branding is super important, maybe, but if your primary business is coaching and your goal is for people to want to work with you not to buy what you're selling. Right? If you're selling yourself, the picture is the way to go.

Michelle Leotta:
Yeah. Like this is your logo, right? Because I'm coaching a reselling, selling a relationship. Coaching is so personal. So even on Facebook, even inside our Facebook group, you guys, I like to see your faces. That's how we, sad as it is I guess, it's how we meet these days. And so the more I like, I know the more I see your face in your profiles, the better I get to know all the members of our community. And the same thing goes with all of your followers on Instagram or Facebook or wherever you are. We know that our bio needs to say something about who we are and what we do as a health go to, we serve what problem we can help you solve. We know that we should have a picture of our face and our profile picture.

Julie Fischer:
Absolutely. And then that third component of that profile is that link, right? Instagram, we'll call it your website, but we know that it can be a link to any number of things, but you just get one link. And I like to think of that almost like as the hook sort of right. If you're on that dating app, right? If that app could reach out to you and be like, Hey, this is why you should come to me. You know, this is how I want to take you from this app into real life. That's what you use that link for. So it could be your website, but even better. It's like, what are they getting from you? Maybe it's five tips about the most important thing that they need to learn right now. So some kind of opt-in right. Maybe it's a free Facebook group that you have, that they want to come into something that you're going to give them for free. That's going to change their life in that moment, but also is going to ideally get them into your mailing list. So you're taking that relationship off of Instagram, into your own personal space in some way. That's critical.

Michelle Leotta:
I'm so glad you mentioned mailing lists because I was going to say one of the biggest mistakes I see coaches making on social media in general, or just with marketing in general is that we think that just because we have some followers they're going to become clients or just because, you know, someone has viewed our Instagram profile, like, well, why haven't they booked a call with me? And that's just not going to happen. It's not how these things work. So Instagram is what we might call top of funnel, which means it's like when you're first becoming acquainted with somebody, you know, it would be like meeting somebody at a party and then like proposing to them the next second, like that doesn't happen. And the same thing with marketing yourself. First, we have to meet people. Then we have to get to know each other, right?

Michelle Leotta:
There's like a courtship involved. So at the top of your funnel is where you are meeting people, maybe on Instagram. And then the very best thing you can hope for is that they sign up for something that lands them on your mailing list. And if that's happening, you're using Instagram very, very well. That's like one of the major goals that you should have for being on the platform at all. You know, and from there, you're going to nurture your relationship with them. You're going to go out on a few more dates. You're going to have conversations. And after they feel like they know like, and trust you, then you're looking at, is this a person that might be a good fit for coaching? So anyway, so those are all really great tips for setting up your bio, including the link. Do you want to just mention link tree? Cause I feel like a lot of people see that, you know, you get that one link, but if you want to be promoting a couple of things or you want to have a link to your website and your Facebook page, like what is link tree all about?

Julie Fischer:
Yeah, absolutely. So there are a couple of platforms like this now. So I'll mention linktree. Cause that's the one I use, but there definitely are others out there if you kind of Google. Um, but with linktree, it's a simple, easy, really easy to use application where you just, you can do it right on your computer. You simply sign up with your Instagram profile and you can multiple links. So you guys may have seen this where you click on someone's link in their bio and then you see like multiple buttons. So very often that's what they're using link tree or a similar service. And so like Michelle said, you can say, get my free thing, right? Whatever it is that you're giving away or join my free Facebook group or join my upcoming program, maybe you even slip in an affiliate link in there. So this way, pretty much anything and everything that you're talking about that you want people to be able to do can be included in that list, which is pretty cool

Michelle Leotta:
You only need like a short list. Right? Like, I usually have maybe the last five things that I mentioned on Instagram.

Julie Fischer:
I was going to say five. I think five is the amount that you can see on one screen in Instagram. So kind of play around with it because it also depends on how much you write. Right? Cause the buttons get bigger as you like, you don't want to lightly, you don't want to have to scroll. You don't want them scrolling. Right. It's kind of like five would be the most. And then that being said, if you have something that's like super important, like the, you know, let's say if you have a book launch, right, let's say you write a book and really all you want is people buying this book, then just put the link to the book, right? Like if there's literally only one thing that you have going on right now don't even bother distracting them. But if it's just for your everyday use and you're in between launches and you just want different ways for them to kind of connect with you, then those multi links are really good.

Michelle Leotta:
Yeah. So, that makes a lot of sense because Carolann was just asking here, what about linktree? So for listeners, I just dropped the link over here into our Facebook feed, but it is link L I N K T R dot E E that's the site or just search link tree and you'll find it. But there are other services like that and it makes it very easy to update, you know, things that you're trying to promote, um, within your Instagram account. Okay. So that all has to do with our bio. What is the next big mistake that coaches are making?

Julie Fischer:
Yeah. So some, one other thing that I see coaches do is kind of being like the all work and no play, like all businesses, right? Every post is like, look at my kale. Here's how I work out. Look at how, you know, I traded out my wine for kombucha or whatever. Right. It's just kind of over and over like super healthy, well intentioned. Right. And that's what we want to be doing is talking about kind of our expertise, but without any of that personality, right. Without showing pictures of themselves without showing kind of how you really live, I always remember one of your posts from maybe it was even this summer where you were like eight, the everything bagel with cream cheese. Right. Didn't go that well. But like, yeah, sometimes I do this right. And I, once I, one time had a client who literally was like, you know, well, how do you stay so perfect.

Julie Fischer:
And I was like, hmm, I'm far from perfect. Like, you know, we kind of, of course had to unpack what perfect even meant. But it, in some ways it made me realize that was still when I had my other presence on Instagram before. And I was like, wow, like, yeah, I'm not always compliant with whatever it is that I'm talking about. Right. And letting people know, yes, I do eat out. Yes. I do sometimes have different things. And again, that lets someone resonate with you as a person and as a coach, who do they want to really work with?

Michelle Leotta:
It's really funny because as you're speaking just now I hear all this noise over here behind me, including tinkling in a toilet. I don't know. I hope that didn't get picked up on my microphone. And I'm like son of a... I know I shut my door and I turned around and there's my seven year old right there waving at me like he wants to talk. And I'm like, if you saw me turn around, I was like, good. That's fun. You know, it's funny though, because we are like living these real lives where things go wrong, mistakes are made children pop up when they're not supposed to do whatever. And that's like, that's the good stuff sometimes. Like that's the stuff that makes you relatable. So you're right. If you're on your Instagram feed and you're like drink eight glasses of water per day, or like count your macro nutrients and like everything you post is coming from that place, you're missing this huge opportunity for people to get to know you and actually like you.

Michelle Leotta:
And I always say this, we do business with people that we like. So you might be like the smartest coach, the best program and the most educated. But if I just like Julie more, because Julie has actually shown me who she is and her personality, like she's going to be the one that I hired to work with. Because if you're hiding behind your nutrition knowledge all the time, it's, you're sort of like a faceless entity. So I love this idea of infusing more of our like every day lives, our mistakes, our child, that just had to go to the bathroom right now while mommy is recording a podcast. Okay.

Julie Fischer:
Yeah, absolutely. Or like the, yes, I ate this giant gluten-free birthday cake and not being afraid. You know, you don't always have to put the disclaimer. Like I see that a lot with coaches where it's like, of course I would never do this every single day and I wouldn't condone it. Right. It's like, they feel like there needs to be like an explanation, like I'm a coach, how could I be doing this? Right. But in reality, people want to know that they're going to be able to work with you and still have a regular life. Right. Like they don't want to think that a coach is going to mean water salad, you know, counting right. All of that. So yeah, I think that's probably a big thing. Oh. And then when I knew that there was one other point there, so another kind of just layer into that in terms of making sure you're keeping things personal is when you do make a post, right.

Julie Fischer:
And people start commenting, always respond. Really. That's probably one of the biggest things that I see is sometimes if I'm commenting on other health coaches, you know, oh, wow. That looks great. Or where'd you get that or whatever. And then like, it's crickets, right? Cause you were already thinking about what am I going to post next? Or maybe I'm just like, okay, I did my Instagram for the week and I'm finished really making sure that even if you spend 10 minutes a day looking and making sure that you actually respond to everyone, who's taken the time to comment.

Michelle Leotta:
That's only polite, but there's more than that to it. Right? Do you want to explain like the reason behind?

Julie Fischer:
Yeah. Well again, it's that relationship building? It's that actual dialogue where someone starts feeling like, oh wow. She answered. Right. And then you even can follow up with another question. Like if I say like, oh yeah, I found this great paleo bread in the supermarket and someone writes, Ooh, looks great. I might write back and say, oh, you know, have you tried this one? Or have you tried other brands would love to know what you think? And then they can kind of write back to you. And then eventually you get into a dialogue where maybe, maybe there is a time that it's appropriate to say, you know, I have this great recipe for paleo bread on my website. Do you mind if I DM you? You know, can I message you that? Or would you like the recipe? And then suddenly they're agreeing to open the door to a DM and now you have a lot more kind of room to get them into that mailing list.

Michelle Leotta:
Love that. And what I was kind of going at there was Instagram also really likes when conversations are happening. Right? So by having that interaction, you're boosting your reach. Like you're, I'm not going to say you're hacking the algorithm, but you're using Instagram the way it's meant to be used. More people are going to see your posts

Julie Fischer:
A hundred percent. Yes. That is a very good point. Right.

Michelle Leotta:
All right. We got some questions over here. Why don't we do... Move on to the last big mistake we want to know. We want everybody to know about, and then we'll take questions. So also just give you guys a few more minutes, if you want to throw questions in there. Um, so the last big mistake the health coaches are making, I know we talked a little bit before we got live on the air, is that it was about videos. Videos are very big on Instagram. So what's the mistake happening there.

Julie Fischer:
Yes. Videos are huge. But the thing that people don't really realize is most people are viewing them silently. They're sitting at work, they're just scrolling through their stories or they're scrolling through their feed. And it's really important to use captions. So making sure that either, you know, now some people have the feature where you can actually kind of transcribe as you're talking or making sure that you're typing kind of a caption in there, just so that when people look at your feed, they don't just see video video, do they kind of get the gist of what you're talking about? And then they could either save it for later when they can listen with sound or maybe they are inspired enough to take out their headset. Right. Like, okay, let me listen to what she has to say, but without caption, it just kind of looks like, right. And it's kind of a wasted minute or two. Yeah.

Michelle Leotta:
It's funny because as the creator, you're not thinking of it that way as the creator, I'm going to make a video, look how hilarious I am or look how beautiful this meal that I just made is. But you forget that as a user, I'm sure all of us have had this experience. We're usually scrolling through silently because we're in a place where we don't want to hear it or just because we're doing that quick scroll or really not stopping. So having those captions at the bottom is a good way to get more engagement, get more people, actually watching your videos. Yeah. And I like that there are ways to have it happen automatically. Um, but even if you just use, you know, you're actually typing, like I I've, sometimes I've added my own captions and it's not word for word, but I'm adding text that kind of gives you the gist of what I'm talking about. So that again, you might be inspired to actually turn your volume on.

Julie Fischer:
Right? Absolutely. And then kind of, you know, as we dive more into stories, right, you can use things like polls and stickers and questions and things like that as even additional ways to kind of get people more engaged with your videos, because they're not just going to watch your lips move for a minute or 30 seconds.

Michelle Leotta:
I mean, I'm sure you have very beautiful lips, but this is true. So again, Julie is going to be teaching you the basics of what you need to know to really use Instagram effectively without spending hours turning into some kind of technology, social media nerd, and it's all happening starting November 15th. Um, Julie want to say a little bit more about this program? Let me give everyone the URL again. It's health coach, power.com/instagram. Now, if you are a healthy profit university member, we have a discount for you. Let's talk about that offline, but for everybody else, please go to
healthcoachpower.com/instagram, and you can sign up there. Julie, give us a little preview of what's going to be going on during this bootcamp.

Julie Fischer:
Yeah. So it's going to be five days, right? Um, pretty intense that we're going to cover a lot, but it's going to be just a short, we're going to do an email each day and then a live call each day. And during those calls day one's kind of really be good. Just going to be about those setups. Right? So those big mistakes that we covered at the beginning, like, let's look at your bio, let's look at your link. Let's look at your photo. Like let's really make sure that that intro is what it should be and it's locked down then as the week goes on, we're going to talk more about what to post, right. Are we thinking content, right? Like, should we do quotes? Should we do food? Should we do family? Right? Like how does that work? What's like a good rotation. What's a good frequency, all those questions that all come up and then we'll kind of even rate and review some of our posts.

Julie Fischer:
And then also talking about, um, right. So what to post, when to post, how frequently to post, how to kind of bridge that gap between getting people from Instagram into your mailing list. Right. So different strategies. They're using things like stories, using things like videos, um, et cetera. So each day we'll kind of tackle a different topic. We'll have the opportunity to meet, to review what you've been working on. And then following up kind of that last day is really just that putting it all together, right. By that point, you'll have a couple of posts needs. Your bio will be great. You'll have some stories in your feed and going from there.

Michelle Leotta:
So fun. So instead of it being like a prerecorded, like here's what to do on Instagram. You're actually like you'd be looking at things and discussing the real posts that everybody is putting up during this week.

Julie Fischer:
Yes, absolutely. And then the content, if you miss those live calls, so there'll be like a little snippet, that's more instructional. And then we're really gonna get into, you know, I'm leaving an hour for every call so we can really kind of dig into people's content. And then I will have all of that recorded. Of course. So even if you miss a call, you can always kind of jump into the archive where all of the material will be forever.

Michelle Leotta:
That's so good. That's so good. I know like some people are going to be like, well, I can't dedicate a whole week to Instagram and I don't think you have to write, you can just like take one of the assignments, run with it. You're going to get access to this stuff long beyond the week together. Um, that being said, Instagram is something that's always changing, but Julie's going to be teaching sort of the, um, the mainstay. Like this is how to use this platform, regardless of the features that come and go and have a feeling that we'll be talking about. Some of those, right?

Julie Fischer:
So many of the features of Instagram, right? That the way the features and algorithms and everything it's like Instagram wants you to be in Instagram. So it's kind of created for everything to sort of happen there. We're really our goal as coaches is to see how we can get them out, to work with them separately. It is right. So it's kind of going against the regular Instagram preferences. If that makes sense.

Michelle Leotta:
Make money by people, just looking at our Instagram feed, we make money by getting them off Instagram and into real life. Right. This is the important part. This is why using Instagram as a health coach is different than using Instagram as like a, an influencer. Yeah. Someone who's selling, whatever, you know, fitness where, um, Theresa saying 100%, I fell in love with my favorite trainer. When she gained weight, I loved her realness and it actually gave me the push to become one myself, knowing I didn't have to be perfect. Love that. Carol is asking, can you add Julie's Instagram handle? Right. So Julie's at instagram.com/healthyonhudson.

Julie Fischer:
Yep.

Michelle Leotta:
Courtney says, is it worth paying for the boost post option on Instagram? Have you ever done that?

Julie Fischer:
I have not. I will say that because it's very similar to the Facebook boost... Actually, I take that back. I did do it once long ago. Um, it just came back to me for one of my detoxes. And in fact, I definitely lost followers... For me. I think I probably boosted the wrong thing. Like I boosted the join the detox, right? Like the screaming, even if you've never seen me before, you're going to get this ad in your feed, which if you are going to do a strategic paid ad, we all know from trying to do them on Facebook, that the way is not to do it with buy this thing.

Michelle Leotta:
It's not? Don't people love that kind of [inaudible].

Julie Fischer:
So that tends to backfire. But I think you would probably agree that the organic relationship building marketing, even within Facebook for most people is going to be more profitable than paid ads.

Michelle Leotta:
Paid ads across Facebook and Instagram really are the same platform. So just looking for both, unless you were very, very well versed in them, you might as well just take your money and go flush it down the toilet.

Julie Fischer:
Right? Because if you have to do them right, you have to, it's very expensive and very complicated. So you could pay someone to do it correctly.

Michelle Leotta:
Or don't bother.

Julie Fischer:
Yeah. But don't drop your $10... Spend your $10 on something else.

Michelle Leotta:
Yeah. This is my feeling we can do better with organic methods. Carol says how... Caroline says, how often should you post content for best visibility. And do you find certain hashtags being more effective instead?

Julie Fischer:
Yeah, it's just a great....

Michelle Leotta:
Yeah. At least how often should you post?

Julie Fischer:
That's a great question. And certainly hashtags is definitely a big part of what we're going to cover during the bootcamp, for sure. Um, as far as frequency, you know, three times a week that sometimes I'll get up to four times a week, sometimes I'll skip a week. Right. But something so that when someone does find you, they see that your most recent post was recent, right. You don't want to go like a month or two months sometimes if I'm really going to be offline for like more than a week, I might even put like a cheesy, like, you know, taking some time off, like so that if somebody does take a look, they don't think I've just dipped out of the business. They know that I'm taking some, some stress free, you know, relaxation time or something like that. So, but I would say minimum three times a week for most people's stories, ideally one story per day. And again, we'll talk about the importance of all that during the bootcamp. Okay.

Michelle Leotta:
So more on frequency, more on hashtags. Cause that's just a whole other thing to come during the program. Um, here's one D says, can we talk about the push for reels? I've only done one. It was somewhat fun, but awkward. Are they effective? Should we use them to educate and show our other fun side? Like you suggest. So what's the first real.

Julie Fischer:
Yeah. So I actually have mentioned to Michelle when this call began, just as Instagram likes to always, you know, pull things out from under us, they are actually doing a way with their reels and everything is just going to be under video kind of moving forward. And I think that change is going to be kind of a rolling change is what it looks like. So some people may get different features before others, but anyway, if your question is more related to just video in general, yes, videos can be effective. They definitely can feel awkward times. Right. We'll certainly challenge ourselves to do, even if it's a super short thing for a story just to do some kind of video content, but the concept of having reels as its separate thing is something that, um, from what I understand, what I've read online is that Instagram is moving away from that. It's all going to be rebranded just as videos.

Michelle Leotta:
It's so interesting. I mean, the cool thing about when they introduce a new feature is that they're usually pushing that feature. And if you use that feature, you get more reach. Um, so it's fun to take advantage of the new stuff, but it does just keep changing. So I think it is most important just to learn how to create good content, regardless of like, is it going to be a real, is it going to be a video? Is it going to be a post? Is it going to be 3d teleportation? You know, who knows what it's going to be in the future. But knowing how to connect with someone through your content regardless, that's a really good question and there are more and we are out of time for today. So once more, I'm going to encourage you guys to check out Julie's five day bootcamp. This is a very, very accessible program for health coaches that teaches you how to use the Instagram platform specifically for what you need it to do as a coach. And you can get all the details and sign up at healthcoachpower.com/instagram. Thank you for being here with us today, Julie, it has been fun to have you.

Julie Fischer:
Thank you. It's been super fun to be here as well. And I'll do my best to answer any of the other questions over and over in Facebook.

Michelle Leotta:
Yes. I was just going to say, if you guys have questions for Julie, you can, of course you can reach her on Instagram @healthyonhudson, but Julie is also one of the admin inside of our health coach power community Facebook group. Um, and that is a fantastic place to ask questions because then other people will see your questions too, and you might get answers from multiple places and it's just a, you know, probably a more well-rounded experience. So feel free to go to healthcoachpowercommunity.com and leave questions there. And you can tag Julie if you like. Um, but we'll have an eye out for those. Good. Good. Thanks for being here today, everybody. And we'll see you inside the bootcamp. If not before then take care.

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